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Inner Peace
June 21, 2006 @ 09:47 AM
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Let there be peace on earth
Let there be peace on earth,
and let it begin with me.
Let there be peace on Earth,
the peace that was meant to be.
With God as our Father,
brothers all are we,
Let me walk with my brother,
in perfect harmony.
Let peace begin with me,
let this be the moment now.
With every step I take,
let this be my solemn vow,
To take each moment and live each moment
in peace, eternally.
Let there be Peace on Earth,
and let it begin with me.
http://www.llerrah.com/lettherebepeaceonearth.htm
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Dan Trepanier
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Re: Moral Wickedness And Sexual Perversion
June 21, 2006 @ 10:27 AM
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I AGREE with you !!!
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Hayk Hakobyan
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Re: Moral Wickedness And Sexual Perversion
June 21, 2006 @ 11:58 AM
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johnpiermont wrote:
I am not a moralist but i know that there are two kinds of morality. The personal morality protected by one's right to privacy and the universal morality which unarguably the source of order in this world.
Morality is more naturally personal than social.
Moral implies right or just for someone and therefore can and does vary from one person to another as in your given examples.
Yes, we are one species of humans, but still diverse enough to have fatally different perceptions of right and wrong about same issues.
I believe that there is something aberrated in the genes of these kinds of thinkers. They might received this genes from Hitler.
I don necessarily think the abberation, as you mention it, comes on genetical level. It is rather function of our environment (especially in early life), and our educational level
Genetical part came play a role in haveing a higher penchant for violence or courage or even any normal human treat being in excess! But thats not directly giving the abberation as you say it, but it highly encourages and facilitates the advent of further complications on psychological and spiritual situation of the person which then drives the person to certain acts..
I agree that each one of us has our own morality and this morality remains private and should not trample the morality of other people. On the other hand, universal morality is a shared morality that establishes what is wrong and what is right and what makes society 'society'
There are as many truth as there are people around the world! So there can not be any NATURALLY universal morality. Morality of a society is artificially introduced treat to keep the balance and promote coexistence of humans in societes and among different societies.
But, being artificial, doesnt mean it is wrong or not worth considering. Things such as compassion, courage, kindness, friendship, integrity, trust, honesty are all now part of universal human values on which the most of society morality are built.
So being as artificial as it is the social morality will never yield ideal results in the society as there would always be at least one person dicontent of the status-quo 
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Re: Moral Wickedness And Sexual Perversion
June 24, 2006 @ 09:00 AM
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johnpiermont wrote:
Morality is never a tool to opress others.
Yes it is not to oppress others but to merely provide guidance on how to conduct one's life, along with religion, from which some of moral "rules" might be deduced.
In fact there are movements to abolish moraltiy in society by people who has no values in life that appreciate the goodness of man and the greatness of God's creation and the true happiness of the Human Heart and the innate capacities of men to love, respect, and live in peace.
Are we talking here about abolishing the moral
of a society or of an individual?
The moral of an individual cannot and mustnt be abolished cause it is his/her right to have certain perspective of world and the way to go about things..
The moral of society cannot be abolished but rather modified.. to better or worse..
We should remember that people without peace in their hearts are determined to destroy the peace of many.
Yes, thats true, but usually people not having peace in their heart are not born like that. So we have to treat cause first and then only the effect..
The first step is to destroy the foundations of society that is built in morality and values
Hmmm... interesting statement. I would rather think their morality of the society has to incorporate universal human values and universal guiding principles for all of members of the society, otherwise the society will not be in any sense unique and cannot be called a society but rather a "grouping of people in the same physical boundaries".. Society gives uniqueness to that group and that uniqueness is mostly defined in culture, religion, traditions etc and all of them have morality in one way or another in them...
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Michelle Olding
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Moral Wickedness And Sexual Perversion (oh my)Moral Wickidness and Sexual Perversion (oh my!) Moral Wickidness and Sexual Perversion (OH MY!)
June 29, 2006 @ 11:20 PM
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In response to the very interesting post about morality...
johnpiermont wrote:
To kill is a human act (animal instinct) but this should be regulated by man (rational being) because if not we demoted our ranks to brutew animals and this is what happened to the killing of the jews, the raping of children in the name of science and other violence..
The raping of children in the name of science? So science is morally worng! AHA, I thought so! I hate it when science rapes children in the name of science! I mean you read about it ALL THE TIME, but you never really think about it. Damn scientists molesting our children!
I'm sorry this is obviously a serious topic and I should never joke about something so factually correct and SO well refrenced.
And who put you in charge of deciding which human traits are inherent from being animal and which is a so-called "ACT OF MAN" anyway? If you ask me, this sounds something like the old "divine right" claim. That somehow humans have been given reign to rule over every other species becuase they are self-proclaimed to be more rational/pure/good/spiritual/nice/good-looking. I don't think humans are rational by the way, or at least not more rational then any other creature on the earth. Rationality is determined by someone's morality. And morality is determined by one's society (and by society I mean the people and environment surrounding you). Therefor since morality depends on who you are, so does rationality. I could argue the slug is more rational than the human then in the sense that you'll never see a slug driving around in an SUV. No burning of fossil fuels and depletion of our earth. Yay slugs. I want to argue that slugs are equal to humans, and specifically that they are morally equal to us. Anyone can challange this if they wish. Please slug morality vs. human morality debate, do ensue!
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Re: Moral Wickedness And Sexual Perversion
June 30, 2006 @ 12:27 PM
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Re: Moral Wickedness And Sexual Perversion
July 3, 2006 @ 10:57 PM
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johnpiermont wrote:
I mean of 'raping' in the name of science is what famous Biologist Alfred Kinsey did. Although his work has some good things to ponder about however, it is very very clear that he is a child molester.
First of all, Robert Kinsey was accused of sexually assualting kids during the 60's when his work in sexology was highly contraversial and there is actually little substance behind this accusation. Judith Riesman has led the movement against Kinsey arguing that Kinsey's elaborate descriptions of children's sexual behaviour (that was obtained through sex offenders accounts) was proof that he himself had sexually assualted children. These accusations were an assualt on Kinsey's theory that there is no pure sexuality (no one completley heterosexual or homosexual). So, Alfred Kinsey was probably not a child molester and it is definalty not "very very clear". The accusation was most likley an attempt to discredit him, and this from a woman who believes that sex-education promotes homosexuality and pedophilia (not that I want to discredit her...BUT...)
And the point I was trying to make about morality is that morality depends on who you are. I, as an indicidual, do not believe that as a human I have been magically granted a greater rationality or morality than any other creature on earth. I also believe that it would be incorrect to assume that there is a universal morality (and I can not see how such a belief would be a " selfish-desire"...perhaps you could explain that to me)
I consider it morally wrong to use the death penalty. There are many other people who disagree with me. we have differant morals. Others consider homosexuality morally wrong, I do not. We have differant morals. There is no universal moral for humans, it is all shaped on our experiances and by what we are taught.
And if you are to take up this debate again with me, may I ask why you insist of using MAN as the morally superior representation of human? As a biologist you should be able to present where "MAN" has been coined as a term to describe the morally ferior being. I always thought that man was just a human with the manhood equiptment. Perhaps that's just my corrupted sex-education though...All I'm saying is get up on the un-sexist lingo.
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July 11, 2006 @ 04:32 PM
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I think the issue here is the difference between “morality” and “law”. Yes, morality is used and miss-used by many groups. Everyone wants their brand of “morality” to be the “universal morality” for the world and punishment to everyone else for feeling differently. But morality should never rise above the law. Everyone should be free to follow their own code of morality … but MUST accept the limits of the law (or work through the acceptable channels to make changes.)
Morality is individual to each person and varies greatly. Some people believe it is right for them to have sex with children. (I will agree they have the right to believe this.) Some believe that being a prostitute is a gainful way to earn a living. (I agree they can believe that way.) Some believe that their racial or religious group is the only ones that will go to heaven. (Let them have this belief.) Some believe that a great variety of sexual perversions (at least how I perceive them though the filter of MY morality) should be acceptable, and I agree they have the right to feel that way.
BUT on the other hand … there is “law”. Yes, it is against the law to have sex with someone under the age of 18 (in the US). Yes, prostitution is illegal (in most of the US.) Yes, you can have your belief in heaven any way you want, but you can not oppress others for thinking different. (I especially agree, since if heaven is like THAT then I don’t want to be there anyway.)
So have your beliefs and morality. This is what makes you human… but accept that your PRACTICE of some acts, that you think are moral, will be limited by the law. If your beliefs are limited by the law, you can try to work through the system to have them changed.
Yes, sometimes a group gets limited by the law (in the US), either because the law is outdated or was created at a time when the countries voting “moral majority” was different, but that is what advocacy groups in the US are working to change. I really believe that Martin Luther King had the best system for successful non-violent protest and was a great example to follow.
This post was edited on: 2006-07-11 at 04:34 PM by: bharmon
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