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Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
July 31, 2007 @ 11:13 PM
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http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/beijing-olympics-boycott.html
Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
The invested interests spend so much national wealth in preparing the Olympic Games to blandish the international, launch so much propaganda about the 2008 Olympics to gloss over official corruption and social inequality!
At the last National People's Congress session, China's Wen wowed discretionarily for the "Chinese's enthusiasm for the 2008 Olympics" - ignoring the voices of naysayers.
Many feel the GDP comes from inflation. houses and food are all more expensive. China is falling into the capitalism seen in the 1800s, before the October Revolution.
Most recent and upcoming college graduates from all over China squash in fancy metropolises, Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, etc, while other provinces remain stagnant.
Next spring, Chinese colleges and universities expect a record 4.95 million graduates, up 820,000 from this year. More than a million of them will wind up jobless, according to estimates.
The proportion of people's salaries to GDP has been falling year after year.The M2/GDP ratio is unusually high, 200% in 2005.All money is the ruling group's money,all hardship is the mass's hardship.Fight ,or die!
No participate in the 2008 Beijing Olympics! No watch the games! No buy the mementos!
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 1, 2007 @ 12:43 AM
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Dear dsc,
I agree with you that the Beijing Olympics will become a big propaganda show for the PRC. The terrible human rights abuses taking place will be "swept under the rug" in time for opening day.
But I am worried about your safety, dsc. Are you allowed to say such things on the Internet in China? Recently, YAHOO was in the news for giving the PRC authorities e-mail information on a Chinese journalist who had sent e-mails via YAHOO. The journalist ended up in jail. I hope you are being careful.
YAHOO was threatened with being blocked from the Internet in China, if they didn't hand over the info.
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 1, 2007 @ 02:00 PM
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I agree with this suggestion, not only for the reasons listed, but also because the government of China is helping to fund the ongoing genocide in Sudan, despite many requests asking them to divest.
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 1, 2007 @ 03:32 PM
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It is the Sudan issue more then any other that makes me agree with boycotting the Olympics -
I think there should be massive organized protests on the issue when the games roll around.
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 1, 2007 @ 04:53 PM
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The olympics help a country so much, I find it hard to find reasons to boycott the games which would outweigh the good.
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 1, 2007 @ 09:39 PM
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Does hosting the Olympics help a country? I can see that it gives a country a nice warm feeling of pride if the games go well. But the history of financial burdens for the host countries and the dislocations of the people who have to make way for the Olympic villages are also well-known.
Does a country that oppresses its people (and behaves irresponsibly on the international stage) deserve a "warm feeling of pride"? I don't think so. But the Chinese view this as a showcase of their economic progress. They are sitting on lots of dollars the American consumers have given them and consider the Olympics a good propaganda investment. As all communist regimes who have noticed communism no longer motivates their people, they are now trying to harness nationalism and the Olympics fit into that strategy very well.
I used to try to boycott Chinese products, but gave up. It is almost impossible to buy anything not made, or not containing parts made, in the PRC.
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 2, 2007 @ 02:51 AM
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my fellow citizen,are you in pain?
you can complain with your reasons,but not to the foreigners,it is stupid to annouce these terrible imformation on a foreign website with your wonderful English,it is a waste...
and,i cannot deny that part of what you said is the fact,like corruption.however,most of your complains which you tried to spread to the world are completely untrue.
to be a Chinese as i am,i find it important to make right the misunderstandings.
first,the 2008 Beijing Olympian does help our country,which is the honour of us to hold it,which represents the great rejuvenation of our great nation,we are showing to the world that China is greater than ever,so those foreigners who agree with the boycott of the 2008 Beijing Olympics are in pain,they are jealous seeing our country getting stronger and stronger everyday,while their own countries are weaker and weaker everyday.
then,those rumors about helping the ongoing genocide in Sudan are uncertain,or to be more exact,they are untrue,pleace look into the imformation,and,those who start the Iraq war and destroy the normal life of the Iraqi have no rights to speak here,and i really don't want to mention the distreatment to the prisons in Iraq,so,shut up,aggressors!
and,taken the earnings of the Olympic Games into account,the cost is nothing,it is a kind of investment.
it is the fact that corruption exists in China,and i also hate it,you know,sometimes something cannot be prevented completely,and,the goverment is trying to reduce it,though it seems a little bit slower...
anyway,there is one thing i know,our lives are getting wealthier everyday,we are playing an important role in the world's economy,we effect the world,those who try to boycott the Chinese produce are stupid,giving up is the logical result.
hereby,i announce to the world that 2008 Beijing Olympic Games welcome you,we are ready to serve you as our friends!
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 2, 2007 @ 11:44 AM
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Hosting the olympics helps a country to a mild degree (generally), but it certainly helps a city, that's for sure.
It gives a country a nice warm feeling of pride first of all, and what's wrong with that?
And I don't know what you're talking about when you talk about financial burdens...? What sort of burdens are you talking about?
Also, what do you think happens when the people vacate the olympic villages. Do you think they bulldoze those residential buildings? I think you're concentrating too much on the short term.
Does a country that oppresses its people (and behaves irresponsibly on the international stage) deserve a "warm feeling of pride"? I don't think so.
Well what the deserve shouldn't be in question. You should think about whether it will be good for the whole of the country. Also you talk about its opression on the people...what do you think the games will do? Why do you think its great for China to get the games...the whole world will be watching.
But the Chinese view this as a showcase of their economic progress. They are sitting on lots of dollars the American consumers have given them and consider the Olympics a good propaganda investment
See now it just seems like you are anti-Chinese because I don't see how that is propaganda. It's a great oppurtunity for them to showcase their economic potential and progress, but I fail to see what is wrong or unethical with that.
they are now trying to harness nationalism and the Olympics fit into that strategy very well.
Just so I understand correctly, are you against this?
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 2, 2007 @ 12:49 PM
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First off, the idea sounds ridiculous. You have a better chance airing your objections to government policy via protest rallies during the sports event than by requesting a boycott, which, let's face it, will prove unsuccessful in the long run.
Secondly, dumping the Darfur question on the vagaries of Chinese foreign policy is irresponsible and for the most part hypocritical. There is no nuance of evidence to suggest China is directly funding the Darfur crisis, merely pursuing its sovereign interests, and while Western nations make a convincing hue and cry about the genocide, only recently have they somewhat reluctantly acquiesced, at the urge of Britain's Gordon Brown, to bell the cat via the UN peacekeeping mission. Meanwhile over 4 million Darfurians have perished, while the West sought desperately to avoid a military confrontation without losing face. Until now, this burden has been borne by the African Union's ECOMIL, a force largely consisting soldiers of the Nigerian Army.
This however is almost insignificant when weighed against the macroeconomic benefits China stands to accrue, benefits that undoubtedly will suffuse its citizenry, improving their livelihoods, and draw to the government not only international goodwill, but render it more amenable to
foreign pressure for change in policy as concerns civil rights, environment, education and labour. Then students may find better schools to go to and adequate job placements when they graduate.
You sure you still wanna boycott the Beijing Olympics*?
This post was edited on: 2007-08-02 at 12:53 PM by: Manny Maurice
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 2, 2007 @ 11:50 PM
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You're a very good writer, zone.
Very well put
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 3, 2007 @ 12:19 PM
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I am sorry - but I am not letting China off the hook for Darfur.
it is not untrue, or some kind of smear campeign - China is Sudan's biggest trading partner and arms dealer.
They have been blocking action against Sudan at the UN.
What the US is doing in Iraq is no excuse for China's actions in the Sudan - or Tibet for that matter.
I am not jealous of China's economy - that is wishful thinking - I am simply cognisent of their support for the Sudan regieme and a number of other corruptions and abuses.
"http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/sudan1103/26.htm"
If you guys insist on pretending that China is not supporting the regeme in Sudan with money and arms my next post will bombard you with information and evidence of their support.
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 4, 2007 @ 08:48 AM
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there is no necessary for us to pretent.
China is not a hypocritical country like some other countries,i stress again that please look into the imformation about the Sudan issue,the best way to explain your evidence is that those imformation you read is not correct according to a kind of discrimintion against China by some people.
and the Iraq war is not an excuse,it is the truth.
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 5, 2007 @ 09:02 PM
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souptown wrote:
...those who start the Iraq war and destroy the normal life of the Iraqi have no rights to speak here!
Dear Souptown, We avoid this line of argument here at TIG. The American intervention in Iraq is certainly worthy of criticism and I invite you to start a thread on it, but saying, "Your country is bad, too, " doesn't excuse your own country's crimes.
Shmo wrote:
And I don't know what you're talking about when you talk about financial burdens...? What sort of burdens are you talking about?
Schmo, I invite you to look at the last Olympic games in Greece:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0901/p07s01-woeu.html
Keep in mind, despite the glitzy urban skylines, China is still a poor country in which the majority are living in the countryside, on farms. I can think of many better ways to spend the money to help them.
Shmo wrote:
Also, what do you think happens when the people vacate the olympic villages. Do you think they bulldoze those residential buildings? I think you're concentrating too much on the short term.
Schmo, I invite you to read this .pdf file from the Centre on Housing Rights and Evictions, page 4.
http://www.cohre.org/store/attachments/DignityintheRubble.pdf
The report talks about evictions taking place throughout the world, but about China, in particular:
"In Beijing, China, an estimated 300,000 people have lost their homes
as a result of preparations for the 2008 Olympic Games."
You may think these people are just going to move right back into the new Olympics Villages after the Games, but I don't.
Shmo:
wrote:Also you talk about its opression on the people...what do you think the games will do? Why do you think its great for China to get the games...the whole world will be watching.
I agree, that would be nice. But the PRC government will probably round up dissidents and any wayward Chinese journalists, sending them to prison or putting them under house arrest, to make sure the world doesn't see or hear the truth. Read this Human Rights Watch webpage:
http://hrw.org/campaigns/china/beijing08/censorship.htm
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 5, 2007 @ 09:50 PM
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zonerator wrote:
First off, the idea sounds ridiculous. You have a better chance airing your objections to government policy via protest rallies during the sports event than by requesting a boycott, which, let's face it, will prove unsuccessful in the long run.
...benefits that undoubtedly will suffuse its citizenry, improving their livelihoods, and draw to the government not only international goodwill, but render it more amenable to foreign pressure for change in policy as concerns civil rights, environment, education and labour. Then students may find better schools to go to and adequate job placements when they graduate.
You sure you still wanna boycott the Beijing Olympics*?
Hmmm, protest rallies in the PRC? The last time Chinese students, young people spontaneously protested (as opposed to government-orchestrated protests) was at Tiananmen Square in 1989 and thousands were murdered by the governement.
As far as the second part of your post, I hope you are right, but I don't think you are.
Shmo wrote:
See now it just seems like you are anti-Chinese because I don't see how that is propaganda. It's a great oppurtunity for them to showcase their economic potential and progress, but I fail to see what is wrong or unethical with that.
prieten47 wrote: they are now trying to harness nationalism and the Olympics fit into that strategy very well.
Just so I understand correctly, are you against this?
Hmmm, nothing wrong with a little patriotism, I guess, but we only need to remember the nationalistic orgy of Adolf Hitler's 1936 Olympics and the uses to which Hitler put that nationalistic fervor. I suppose you would say that was Hitler just showcasing Germany's economic potential and progress, right?
Just as Slobodan Milosevic started a nationalistic ethnic cleansing campaign in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo, to deflect attention from Yugoslavia's many other problems, I can see the PRC whipping up a nationalistic fervor when it suits them, say, to justify a military invasion of Taiwan. The recent government-orchestrated rock-throwing demonstrations at Japanese embassies in China aren't exactly examples of the Olympic spirit, are they?
Overreaction on my part? Maybe, I certainly hope the benefits of the Olympics will outweigh the negatives.
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Re: Boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics!
August 6, 2007 @ 05:40 AM
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I invite you to start a thread on it, but saying, "Your country is bad, too, " doesn't excuse your own country's crimes.
that is exactly what i want you to say to your country,Iraq war is no excuse.
since you have admitted it as a terrible crime,and for the recent report about the rape case of the America soilders in Iraq,you surely have no rights to talk about the human rights in China,moreover,it is completely ridiculous.
China is still a poor country in which the majority are living in the countryside, on farms. I can think of many better ways to spend the money to help them.
sir prieten,you certainly know nothing about the policy in China...since last year,farmers here are tax-free,furthermore,each farmer recieve a certain subsidy by the goverment each year,and i really wonder that whether can those so-called rich countries like America and Japan can do like this?so,you still think that China doesn't spend the money to the farmers?
"In Beijing, China, an estimated 300,000 people have lost their homes
as a result of preparations for the 2008 Olympic Games."
You may think these people are just going to move right back into the new Olympics Villages after the Games, but I don't
i have no idea about the source of this news,if you really worry about the arrangement of the people here,or the cost and plan,i suggest you get on this website
http://en.bejing2008.cn/
say, to justify a military invasion of Taiwan. The recent government-orchestrated rock-throwing demonstrations at Japanese embassies in China aren't exactly examples of the Olympic spirit, are they?
first,i must stress that you have no rights to interfere our internal affairs,Taiwan is our own territory,whatever we do to Taiwan is none of your business,and what you report is completely untrue.
i do question do you really know what is Olympic spirit?
in the Asian basketball keague match three days ago,Japan played the national anthem of the Republic of China to the Chinese,do i have to stress that there only exists People's Republic of China in the world now?
this knid of behavious of Japan is strongly against the Olympic spirit,isn't it?
i suggest that we should do more rather than just demonstrating at Japanese embasisies.
i really think those who hold the wrong opinion of China should reconsider,or at least,one thing is certain,boycott the 2008 Olympic game is ridiculous.
This post was edited on: 2007-08-06 at 05:55 AM by: souptown
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